Indonesian people-not international donors or orangutan conservationists-will determine the ultimate fate of Indonesia's forests
06 August 2010
With 18,000 islands spanning two major bigeographic realms (and a curious outlier in Sulawesi) across an area of nearly 2 million square kilometers, Indonesia is one of the world's most biodiverse countries. It has the world's third largest extent of tropical forests, has the planet's richest coral reefs, and is home to more than 12 percent of plant and animal species. Indonesia is culturally rich as well. Its hundreds of cultures speak more than 500 languages.But Indonesia's biological and cultural bounties are diminished going into the second decade of the twenty-first century. Its forests and have damaged and degraded by logging and plantation development, eaten away by subsistence and industrial agriculture, mined for minerals and ore, and burned by armies of farmers and developers. At the same time, its rich waters have in some areas been overfished and fouled by pollution, its reefs mined for limestone and sea life, and its mangroves filled and cleared. Economic growth has accelerated the onslaught and exacerbated conflict over increasingly valuable land.
![]() Sumatran Orangutan, 2009 |
![]() Meijaard in a Caledonian Pine forest. Photo courtesy of Erik Meijaard. |
"Conservation is incredibly complex," he explained during a July interview with mongabay.com. "When people talk about something not being rocket science, I ask them to consider conservation science instead. Sending a rocket into space is child's play compared to finding optimal solutions to complex conservation problems that combine ecological, geological, economic, social, political, cultural, psychological, and other factors."
"The longer I work in conservation, the more I become aware of this complexity, and also the more I push back against those that treat conservation as a simple ethical issue. Black and white does not work in conservation."
![]() At work in forest with Nardi, TNC's forest field coordinator. Photo courtesy of Erik Meijaard. |
"Singling out one industry as the major threat over-simplifies the issue, and is therefore not likely to result in long-lasting sustainable solutions."
"By focusing on one major issue at the time, we are unlikely to find broad solutions," he said, noting that conservationists have mostly downplayed or overlooked a major threat to orangutans: hunting by local people, which claims more than 1,000 orangutans per year according to a recent survey in Kalimantan.
"Despite hunting being recognized as a theoretical threat to orangutans, not a single conservation program is presently doing anything about it," Meijaard said. "This suggests that despite nearly 4 decades of conservation programs for orangutans, we are not even close to finding strategic solutions that will really succeed in slowing down the species' decline."
Meijaard says that orangutan conservation efforts need to take better account of human needs in seeking solutions.
![]() Sumatra, 2009. |
Meijaard also takes issue with the amount of attention paid to orangutan welfare efforts. In a world of limited conservation funds there are tradeoffs -- money for rehabilitating injured and orphaned orangutans tends to compete with money for conserving their natural habitat. Meijaard says that preliminary work is showing habitat conservation is a better use of money.
"Preliminary results suggest that estimates for the cost of rescuing, rehabilitating, reintroducing orangutans and maintaining them in the wild are initially 2-2.5 times that of protecting a similar number of orangutans in wild populations," he said. "Since 1964, Indonesian and Malaysian orangutan rehabilitation projects have taken in at least 3,320 animals, and released around 1,250, of which ca. 625 orangutans survive (about 25%). In the same period, efforts to protect wild populations have resulted in the establishment of 20,229 km2 of protected or sustainably managed forest areas on Borneo alone, which now protect 14,280 orangutans or about a quarter of Borneo's wild orangutans."
![]() ![]() Kalimantan, 2006. |
"Indonesia is a democratic society and major changes are most likely to occur if they are happening from within. I would certainly like to see those changes happen faster, but after witnessing nearly 20 years of ongoing conservation failure-interspersed with the only the occasional success-I have become convinced that the main agent of change in this country will have to be the government and its electorate," he said.
"Consuming countries, their consumers, governments and NGOs should be smart and work out where and how they can best stimulate the process of change. And to get there, it would be good to see a bit more return on investment thinking. It is easy enough to fund environmental conservation, but few seem to ask seriously what has actually been achieved."
Meijaard discussed these issues and more in his July 2010 interview with mongabay.com's Rhett Butler.
AN INTERVIEW WITH ERIK MEIJAARD
Rhett Butler, mongabay.com: What is your background and what prompted you to work in conservation?
Eric Meijaard: I grew up on the shores of Holland and among German pine forests, where my first pair of binoculars opened my eyes to the life of birds and mammals. After a visit to a greenhouse in Holland, I decided to become a farmer but a teacher told me that I could do better and should go to university. University wasn't a great success, however, and I dropped out after a year. The next few years I spent traveling. The Himalayas and Australian deserts were my first real experiences with Big Nature and I became increasingly inspired and motivated to do something with conservation. Back home, I raced through an MSc course in Tropical Ecology which ended with one year of field research in a national park in East Java, Indonesia, where I studied the intricacies of the decay of deer dung. It was also my first experience with the poor management of Indonesia's national parks. Back in Holland, in 1993, I was offered a job to survey orangutans and other big mammals in Indonesian Borneo, which I did for 3 years, and from then on I have consistently worked in conservation in Indonesia, for a range of organizations including WWF, The Nature Conservancy, Tropenbos-International, and as a consultant for CIFOR. Between 2000 and 2004, I spent a few years which I spent in Australia for my PhD research on the palaeoenvironments of the Malay Archipelago.
mongabay.com: Has the focus of your work changed over the years and why?
![]() Field trip with Cambodian study group to Danau Sentarum NP to study forest honey certification. Photo courtesy of Erik Meijaard. |
Orangutans
mongabay.com: Have you seen a shift in the primarily threat to orangutans in recent years?
![]() Too many people in Borneo, orangutans are just another piece of bushmeat, or a threat to their gardens. Photo courtesy of Erik Meijaard. |
mongabay.com: With finite resources for orangutans and growing threats to their survival in the wild, there seems to be an inherent conflict between animal welfare measures (like rehabilitation) and conservation approaches (protected areas). Do you have thoughts on how to prioritize use of funds allocated for orangutans? Can rehabilitation programs be an effective conservation strategy?
![]() Kalimantan, 2006 |
Deforestation and REDD
mongabay.com: Your work in Indonesia has coincided with an era of political change (the Suharto era, the post-Suharto period of chaos, and the present democratic era). Has there been a shift in the way conservation is perceived in the country or is it still largely the same actors involved in the same activities?
Eric Meijaard: During the Suharto era, environmental issues were rarely mentioned in the media and there were hardly any local environmental NGOs. This has changed a lot. Local environmental awareness has grown considerably; just to give an example, ask anyone in Indonesia and they will have some knowledge of the link between floods and landslides and deforestation. At the same time however there has been a rapid increase in economic development in the country, and a breakdown of law and order in the post-Suharto period, which has led to a rapid depletion of the countries natural resources. I am moderately optimistic about the development of environmental ethics among Indonesia's people. The question is when people will care enough for their environment to start slowing down or stop further environmental degradation, and what Indonesia's natural environments will look like at that point. This is a process that all countries in the world seem to go through. Socio-economic development occurs at the expense of forests and other ecosystems. With rising welfare environmental awareness generally increase to a point where people agree to allocate enough resources to slow down or stop further environmental decline.
mongabay.com: Do you see opportunities to engage interests outside the forestry sector (perhaps manufacturing) in reducing deforestation? Could an alliance of these corporations, which collectively employ millions of people, present a formidable political voice to counter the influential individuals and companies in the forestry sector?
![]() Let Djitaq. The inspiring leader of the Wehea people. Photo courtesy of Erik Meijaard. |
mongabay.com: Now that Norway has put $1 billion on the table, are policy makers and other decision makers in Indonesia seeing forest conservation as an opportunity rather than a "special interests" issue of environmentalists? Could REDD be the path forward for engaging the forestry sector?
Eric Meijaard: The Norwegian initiative is laudable, and it is among the first countries to seriously address Indonesia's long-term request: "if you want us to protect our forest, compensate us for not cutting them down". With the Indonesian President firmly behind this carbon initiative it is likely that REDD will be taken seriously. I suspect that the Norwegian funds will provide a significant incentive to develop and test REDD pilot projects and work out the complex mechanisms through which carbon revenues will be managed. On the other hand, we shouldn't overestimate the impact of Norwegian funds on Indonesia's REDD development. For example, the 1 billion is only a small percentage of what Indonesia earns through oil palm and pulp and paper development. So, the success of the financial contributions of Norway and other countries really depends on whether those funds are used as effective seed money to develop viable REDD projects. I have witnessed a variety of environmental aid projects sponsored by international governments, and they do not tend to be the most effective and efficient ways to convert dollars into tangible and lasting environmental results. But let's see what is going to happen next. I hope to see some fully functioning REDD projects within the next 5 years, with concomitant revenue streams to relevant stakeholders efficiently functioning and reliable monitoring processes in place. And of course resulting in a real reduction in forest loss rates.
mongabay.com: What are the biggest challenges to making REDD a success in Indonesia?
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mongabay.com: What are some of the areas, in terms of conservation, that REDD will not likely address in Indonesia? What are the chief obstacles--beyond what we've already discussed--to protecting and sustainably using Indonesia's forests?
Eric Meijaard: I am with those who say that poverty is one of the key drivers, behind Indonesia's deforestation. Alleviating poverty is therefore one of the most important long-term solutions to solving Indonesia's environmental problems. Other issues that need to be addressed include poor governance, corruption, better education, and resolution of land tenure insecurity. REDD is not going to solve these problems. I also don't think that REDD will take over from other natural resource sectors as a main driver of rural development. But REDD can help shift the balance. For REDD to function, better governance, reduced corruption, resolution of land tenure etc is all required and a clear picture of how local communities will benefit from REDD. Successful REDD projects will provide significant leverage for improving forest and land management outside the carbon sector. Assuming Indonesia remains politically stable, in the end, all these improvements should bring about reduced poverty, and generally increased welfare reduces forest loss. But these are not simple equations and ultimately it is the Indonesian government that decides which forests will stay and which will go.
Consumption
mongabay.com: Deforestation in Indonesia is primarily driven by demand for commodities, especially timber, pulp, and palm oil. Given this, how important are commodity roundtables and certification systems--perhaps linked with REDD payments--in enticing producers to adopt practices that are less damaging to the environment? Is there enough incentive from consumer demand or does there need to be regulation to ensure the success of these schemes?
Eric Meijaard: I am not impressed with the achievements of certification systems in Indonesia. After nearly 2 decades there are still only a handful of timber concessions with FSC certification, and I am not even sure that this has done much good for forests. We have studied forest loss in certified timber concessions, and the small data set suggest that forest loss is at about the same level as in non-certified concessions in similar topographical areas. Maybe micro-management of forests is actually better in certified concessions, but I don't think the overall difference is very large. Similarly, the bar for RSPO certification appears to be too low and it is unclear what environmental benefits have resulted from certification in the oil palm industry. It may simply be a cost benefit assessment that companies make. It is nice to be internationally certified, especially if you are targeting international markets, but is it worth the investment? After initial enthusiasm in various sectors, companies may now have worked out that even when they have been certified they still get criticized by NGO and consumer groups. The general benefit of certification is that clear, commonly agreed guidelines are developed that indicate what good environmental and social management could look like. The use of High Conservation Value Forests is one example of guidelines coming out of certification that have taken on a much broader role in natural resource management, the principles and ideas of which have also become incorporated in government policy. So overall, certification plays a role in improving environmental management in forests, but it would have been nice to see more progress. It seems that the incentives to keep business as usual are still higher than those offered by certification.
mongabay.com: In Indonesia and Malaysia, loggers and palm oil producers often complain that campaigns by environmentalists are "imperialistic" or an attempt to establish trade barriers to protect agricultural interests in Europe and the United States. Do major NGOs ever go too far in demonizing industries -- palm oil, timber, and paper pulp -- that generate a lot of jobs and income in Indonesia? If so, what do you see as the role of activist groups in addressing deforestation?
![]() Kalimantan, 2009 |
![]() Friend of Foe? Photo courtesy of Erik Meijaard. |
Eric Meijaard:
NGOs, both the international and local ones, have played an important
role over the last few decades in changing the course of conservation
policy and management in Indonesia. Many positive changes have taken
place, for example the slowly improving management of timber
concessions, the environmental and social standards by which plantations
should work, and also government policies on land use. Obviously the
NGOs have not done enough, because we still see rapidly dwindling
environmental values and natural resources in the country. But one could
argue that this was going to happen anyway; all countries have depleted
their natural resources on the road to economic and social development.
The question then becomes to what extent NGOs have been able to slow
down loss of conservation values or direct the development process. I
often wonder these days whether certain environmental groups are going
too far in demonizing the 'big industries'. Everyone in the country
takes part in environmental degradation and development - government,
big industries, medium industries, small industries (for example, local
farmers). I don't believe that picking on only one group, or within that
a subset of selected companies, these NGOs will see a major change in
Indonesian management of forests. At best they increase the operational
costs for those companies (loss of market access, higher PR costs etc.),
thereby opening up opportunities to other companies (their
competitors). In the end, the system remains unchanged, and all actors
will largely keep doing what they were doing. Everyone is part of the
problem and of the solution, and I don't think any particular group
stands out as more 'evil' than others. Long-term solutions will have to
include all stakeholders and somehow fit into Indonesia's overall
development path.
mongabay.com: Much of the focus with NGOs is on international
organizations or at least groups that are affiliated with international
organizations. What about community groups? Would building the
capacity of these organizations -- perhaps at the provincial and even
national scale -- help translate local concerns into policy action?
Eric Meijaard:
The few successful conservation projects that I am familiar with in
Indonesia all had one key attribute: leadership. Setting up community
groups and building their capacity might only be effective if there is
someone in that community who can lead, and dares to talk and stand up
to others who are higher up in the hierarchy. I often think that this
aspect of conservation is neglected. Getting some people around the
table to work jointly on one issue isn't that difficult. But to keep
them there, and united, in the face of adversity is the challenge.
People may have other things on their minds than local environmental
issues, and it takes the inspiration of a leader to set the course.
Without strong leadership, community groups, environmental fora,
conservation networks etc. generally do not last much beyond the first
external funding round. Maybe that is what Indonesia requires more than
anything, a big group of committed conservation leaders who can inspire
the rest of the people, set examples, and push governments for change.
mongabay.com: Do you see much potential for developing
community-based sustainable forestry as a way to compete with, and
eventually reduce, illegal logging?
Eric Meijaard:
Illegal logging happens when there is no control or law enforcement or
if no one legally claims a forest area or manages it. Similarly,
community-based sustainable forestry will require control and
monitoring. If communities are well organized and they can manage to
keep out free-wheelers (those who operate outside the confines of the
sustainable forestry system), community-based projects might have great
potential. The question is who provides the control. This could partly
come from markets and independent auditors who ensure that the
management is indeed sustainable. Alternatively it could come from the
government. Either way, because of the scale of community-based forestry
(many small projects), the bureaucracy of managing it will have to be
large. I think it would be a mistake to assume that communities are
naturally more sustainable in their operations than larger companies.
Most people are out for quick revenues, and sustainability thinking
generally needs to be brought in from outside.
mongabay.com: What role do major consuming countries have in
ensuring a future for Indonesia's forests?
Eric Meijaard:
I am not convinced that major consuming countries will have a big
influence on Indonesia's forests. For all our jumping up and down, noise
in the press, government protests, and international legislation and
sanctions, the broader international community has not had much impact
on the course of deforestation in Indonesia. Indonesia is a democratic
society and major changes are most likely to occur if they are happening
from within. I would certainly like to see those changes happen faster,
but after witnessing nearly 20 years of ongoing conservation
failure-interspersed with the only the occasional success-I have become
convinced that the main agent of change in this country will have to be
the government and its electorate. Revolutionary change in environmental
management through drastic action may sound nice, but I just can't see
it happen. And if it happens, it won't be brought about from outside.
So, consuming countries, their consumers, governments and NGOs should be
smart and work out where and how they can best stimulate the process of
change. And to get there, it would be good to see a bit more return on
investment thinking. It is easy enough to fund environmental
conservation, but few seem to ask seriously what has actually been
achieved.
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